Wednesday 9 March 2016

122) “Quoting Allen Daves, “If the Government or NASA had said to you that the Earth is stationary, imagine that… ALL the evidence shows it: we feel no movement,” “the atmosphere hasn't been blown away,”

Just a restatement of many irrational claims, but let’s take the main ones again:

Since Mr Dubay loves to repeat himself, it seems I will have to, as well.

I’ve just answered “we can’t feel the Earth moving.”’ Again, we never feel movement; we feel changes in movement. If we were in a very smooth and silent train, running down very even unjointed rails on a dead-straight track at an unchanging speed, we wouldn’t feel or hear a thing. If the blinds were closed, we could not tell that we were moving at all.

Now of course, no real vehicle is every that perfect; there are always some little jiggles or sways, at least. But the Earth doesn’t rest on a road, or run on rails. It moves at a constant pace and a constant course through the empty vacuum of space. What is there to jiggle us?

And I’ll anticipate an ill-informed reply; “But the Earth doesn’t go on a straight course. You say that it is circling round the Sun, so it’s constantly turning!”

No: in relation to the forces acting on it, the Earth is always on a dead-straight course. Its motion is balanced between the inward pull of the sun’s gravity and the outward push of inertia, often called centrifugal force. Neither of these forces change to any detectable degree, from second to second or year to year. So we feel exactly what we should expect to feel – no motion.

The rest of the quotation just repeats nonsense that has been answered elsewhere, except for one odd comment: “the atmosphere hasn't been blown away,”. 

Well, let’s take the standard scientific view just for the sake of argument. Given that, why should we expect the atmosphere to be blown away? 

Well, it is wind that usually “blows things away” and wind is just another word for part of the atmosphere that is moving relative to where we are. But here we are talking about the whole atmosphere itself – so what could be blowing that away? 

More atmosphere, er, outside the atmosphere? 

Empty vacuum? 

We can make vacuum here on earth, by pumping out the air from a strong container. When we do that, we find that there is no “blowing” inside that container.

Put some feather on one side of our vacuum chamber, and a fan on the other side. Turn on the fan – do the feathers move? No, because there is no air to move them.

It’s almost as if “Alan Daves” doesn’t know what he is talking about. But that couldn’t be true, could it? 

Honestly, high school physics again?

And not only that but then people would say, 'oh then how do you explain a fixed, calm atmosphere and the Sun's observable movement, how do you explain that?'
Newton's first law. If there's no force, then it is a valid inertial frame in which the laws of physics hold.

everything can be explained by a motionless Earth without bringing in all these assumptions to cover up previous assumptions gone bad.
If that's so, show us your model. Show us the alternative hypotheses you have that are utterly perpendicular to everything we've learned over the last few centuries, and the millennia before that.

Show us these, instead of showing us silly pictures. Explain, predict, and calculate, instead of asserting and moving on to the next bit of your G
ish gallop 

Eh, What? What’s a Gish Gallop? Watch this very short video:

1 comment:

  1. "blown away" as the difference in inertial stress of the gases(atmosphere) with respect to the inertia of the solid object earth (even in a vacuum) traveling in all of the supposed motions the earth is particularly the closer to the gravitation equilibrium boundary point (the point at which any object is in gravitational equilibrium between the earth and "free space") ...The Gravitational stress on the earth atmosphere is NOTHING like a feather in a vacuum.. P.S. it is spelled ALLEN DAVES and yes he knows what he/me is talking about but you obviously do not.....good grief!?!


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